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to get a deal done so that i don't have to keep boring people with this term fiscal cliff? >> right. to really get the deal done right you need about 4 troll trillion to get us back on track. that means pro-growth tax reform, entitlement reform and better control of savings of the proposals at this point are not at that level. they're more $2.5 trillion range. we're very anxious to see what the president will put forward in terms of savings and reform. adam: in roughly four days can all of you in washington get this deal done? or is it going to be some kind of a patch with some kind of delay and than we'll deal with the new congress deals with it? >> well, adam i think you're kind of on it there. it would be great if we can get it done. if not let's at least get the framework to set it up and finish it off right away. either way we have to get a deal done before congress gets adjourned or get a deal done in the new congress. there is enough proposals put forward. get the deal we need to get things on track. adam: we should point out i think senator scott brown out of massachusetts l
for us to go over the fiscal cliff and then taxes will rise, right, but then congress will reconvene on january 3rd and vote to cut taxes. is that appliable solution in your mind? >> it kind of it, pretty much what i feel will happen. they have a little bit of wiggle room. the majority of this is not going to be felt until 2014 for the majority of the income tax rise so that causes congress to force them to make a deal knowing that we actually are operating under a higher tax rate right now, even though americans won't feel it, so it's almost like an additional leverage for those who actually want to make a deal and get something done. i just want somebody, like starbucks, we all need to come together. >> and quit kicking the can down the road, darn it. >> exactly. >> ryan thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you. >> ryan has been with us all week tackling the fiscal effects on your pocketbook. tomorrow, what the fiscal cliff means for your retirement. >>> from the strange case of the technology pioneer john mcafee on the run to so many tragic shootings, we have the top
're going over the cliff. it's hard to tell. the expectation, even if we go over the fiscal cliff. right now, congress is still looking at trying to resolve this here in the next few days. so it's not as if we go over the cliff and stay there. there would be time to resolve the issue. that being said, we saw a whirlwind of negotiating on capitol hill. and right now, after things sort of didn't work out between mitch mcconnle and harry reid, the top republican and top democrat in the senate, they have shifted between mitch mcconnell and vice president joe biden. that's where all of the action is right now. keeping the speaker of the house john boehner abreast of what's going on. keeping harry reid abreast of what's going on and keeping president obama abreast of what's going on. we heard from senator reid yesterday that they are very far apart. not just talking on the threshold, initially president obama said $250 mi,000. there is talk to bumping that to $400,000. republicans want to know how we pay for it. there are farm subsidies, the doc fix. and spending cuts. so there is a lot to be reso
sides are looking at if fiscal cliff right now and saying, well, we could go over this thing. it wouldn't be the end of the world and that's a very different view in washington than it is on wall street. i can tell you that. >> eamon, thanks. i know you've got a long day ahead, a long afternoon as well. eamon javers in washington. >> isn't it unbelievable. you have this huge, looming problem, i'll wait until later this afternoon to deal with it. >> and the whole sequester was a way to deal with this later. and corker, i think, on some of the morning shows this morning, senator corker said the worst case today would be to set up another later deadline that would keep the hard questions -- >> and i think a lot of this is so abstract, but if those milk prices go up for people around this country, that's going to be the thing that gets people really animated. >> that and payroll taxes, if they go up, that will hit a lot of americans across the board. >> interesting to see a lot of the stocks today that have exposure to dairy futures, whether it's an hsy, who knows? i haven't even gone throu
the fiscal cliff negotiations with the jets right there. sanchez had his best game of the season in week one against the bills. he threw for three touchdowns. the jets won back then. >>> to the nba, where the nets gave avery johnson his walking papers yesterday. they fired him after 2 1/2 years with the team. the nets who had high expectations because of a new arena, have slumped badly over the past month. they're 14-14 right now. sitting in seventh place right now in the eastern conference standings. yesterday, johnson addressed the call to let him go. >> you're a .500 team, two more home games at home that something like this would happen. this is ownership's decision. this is what we sign up for, i talked to you about this a couple of days ago, this is part of our business, fair or unfair, it doesn't matter. >> the nets assistant p.j. carlesimo will become the interim head coach. espn reports that phil jackson is the top target as the replacement. jackson's agent told him that he has no interest in coaching the nets. >>> coming up on morning joe, general norman schwarzkopf, passes away at
will be spent on what's at hand right now obviously with the fiscal cliff, and obviously what we do with 2013, i don't think that you're going to see a lot of regulation questioned, asked during 2013. >> okay. >> i think this one is one stock that will benefit. you'll see the analysts start to upgrade it. >> that being b of a. >> wait until the dow goes higher on your list for 2013. >> we don't do anything with respect to the theories of the dogs of the dow, but the generic sense of buying laggards for future outperformers is a broad one. higher growth names outperforming versus last year which was more defensive. what you do is look at the real laggards, hp and intel come to mind real quickly. >> right. >> they are down low for very good reasons. they are reason to be the desk top computing is definitely under siege with more mobile computing. the management issues with hp. all of those things need to be ironed out and as a result the stocks have underperformed. >> are you saying you would buy those here? >> we don't own them right now and not contemplating buying them right now. talk about str
is that going to do to the fiscal cliff negotiations? >> right, there are a couple deadli deadlines actually coming up. january 2nd is the last day of the current congress. any bill that's been submitted, especially the bills that have been passed, the deal with the fiscal cliff, those bills would be worthless. they would go into paper and everything would have to start from scratch. the new congress would have to start a bill and start the process from the beginning. now there are some tricks that congress has to try to speed things up when it wants to. so to some degree, it's not that big of a deal. if there was a deal in the offing, january 3rd, enough votes for it, they could get around the hurdles. but i'm glad you brought up the deadlines because another one is tomorrow. unemployment benefits run out tomorrow for 1 million people. not true. the unemployment portion of the fiscal cliff actually hits us tomorrow. and that's when 1 million people are estimated to see unemployment benefits run out. and tomorrow is also the day that the house will return. i know we said that democrats shame
with four days to go before the fiscal cliff strikes. >> all right. always a pleasure. thank you, sir. >> good to be with you. >>> major break today in negotiations between dock workers and port operators puts off at least for now a port strike that would have shut down nearly all shipping traffic along the east and gulf coast. a federal mediator says that the union and group representing the shipping lines agreed to a 30-day contract extension narrowly averting the sunday strike deadline. business groups warn that the economic impact of such a work stoppage is disaster. joining me is nbc's ron mott. for folks not following the story, how did we get here? >> reporter: folks haven't because they're paying attention to the fiscal cliff. this was lurking in the shadows and today moved the ball down the field for 30 days and may be talking about a strike again in 30 days but the big issue here was this so-called container royalty that the shipping companies pay to the union members who actually the guys and men and women offloading the big ships and the containers with things like tvs and
that. the fiscal cliff, which companies get hurt the most if we go right over that cliff? elizabeth ma cdonald is here with the bottom line. what are we looking at for bad news for what companies? >> walmart hand capped this and have their score card. a number of companies will, you know, dive over the fiscal cliff, and i'm tired of the "fiscal cliff" term, pardon me, it's a manmade term, the fc, whatever happens january 1st. here's why they get sales from government contracts. that's the deal. it's not just the lockheed martins of the world. you'll see in here, humana, other health care companies, of course, medical device companies hit with the tax, but they have striker, for example, and there's a lot of sales from government contracts. you'll see in here, look at that, motorola, holdings in and waste management companies like waste management and republic services, ashley. ashley: what are the stock prices on the companies, iz? >> good point. goldman sachs warned since 2011 when that debt ceiling crisis hit in the summer of 2011 that triggered the fiscal cliff learning that the co
for 2013. liz: 8:34 before we hit that fiscal cliff, but we're checking stocks right now for two seconds, founder and ceo of beverly hills wealth management. you should have costco, target, walmart in there. now let's go to another name that you say is a great u.s. play, on china stabilizing and growing. >> yes, and that's starbucks. starbucks a great american company. everybody needs a good cup of coffee. in china there is only one starbucks for every 1.9 inhabitants, can you believe that when we have one basically on every corner? [laughter] so there's tremendous opportunity there. you've got the tea growers in china, a lot of them are now switching to coffee because of starbucks, so that's a double play for you. liz: wait until they find out what a frappucino tastes like. >> oh, look out, china. liz: two pharma companies, what do you think are the big names here because we're all getting older, and we all need new medicine. >> we're going to be buying a lot of pfizer especially and bristol-myers. those are the two picks we have. pfizer is around 24, $25 a share, bristol-myers about 31
there's a little bit better tone away from the fiscal cliff. that's where it is right now. >> what about this concept. skeptical, the idea that we're underowned in the stock market and anything -- any resolution could mean stocks. >> a lot of cash on the sidelines that will be put to work if you get a little bit of a sign of a resolution here, bill. happy new year. >> nice tie, but i'm always saying that to you. we're going to the mid-point of the range, dow down 22 points. that's the first hour of the "closing bell." stand by now for hour number two. >> and welcome back, to the "closing bell." i'm mandy drury sitting in for maria bartiromo. it is the end of another trading day, and, no, we do not have a fix for the fiscal cliff. guess what, the numbers also reflect that. let's take a look at how a day on wall street, looks like the dow is down marginally, 24 points to the downside and the nasdaq off by the biggest percentage loss, down by 22 points and the s&p 500 is down by about seven points, and as i said it is crunch time. there are only three trading days left now for 2012 and stil
the markets overall going up. but right now make no mistake about it, the fiscal cliff doubts in getting to january 1 without some kind of even a patchwork deal is what's driving the markets right now in negative territory. >> as we know, it's not a cliff, it's really a slope or series of steps as you're falling down them should a deal not come to pass here. is the drop that we've seen so far after plan b's failure, will we see yet more of the market reacting, a slow degradation of market performance? >> that depends on essentially if, for instance, a week from monday right now we're sitting here and it's almost a certainty that we're going to go over the cliff. i would argue that we could get more back to a cliff rather than slope analogy because it comes down to how swiftly does the market react in a negative way and how swiftly is the fallout on the overall u.s. economy. for example, we're getting reports from around the country that, number one, retailers have lowered their forecast on what the christmas shopping season is going to look like. we're hearing that one of our reporters w
're on the edge of the fiscal cliff right now but that doesn't mean we're just going to sign off on anything. republicans are kind of holding their ground at this point and i believe that means there is a deal this weekend, if something happens in the white house today, it will require democrats to either change their stance on taxes and also include a promise of cuts and entitlement reform. otherwise, we really are looking at january 1 and the fiscal cliff happening. in which case a resolution won't happen until the new congress comes into session on january 3rd. gregg: that's right. we've been following not only the events on the floor but people stepping before microphones. here is representative jim moran. >> there are going to be voting sunday night and then probably watching the skins-cowboys fame in the cloakroom. then we'll, then we'll be in session on december 31st as well. gregg: what does he mean, we're going to vote sunday night? >> here's what might happen. both parties meet with the president today at the white house. they all say look, here we are on the precipice here. let's
, right now senate leaders scrambling to find common ground to avoid going over that fiscal cliff. got less than three days to go now, folks. at the same time in his weekly address today, the president says he's preparing a plan of action if no deal is reached. >> if an agreement isn't reached on time, then i'll urge the senate to hold an up or down vote on a basic package that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends vital unemployment insurance for americans looking for a job, and lays the ground work for future progress on more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> republicans say they want a deal as well, but they highlighted their biggest sticking points today in their weekly address. listen now to missouri senator roy blount. >> senate democrats have spent months drawing partisan lines in the sand. the president's proposal to raise tax on the top 2% of americans won't even pay one-third of the annual interest that's now owed on this massive $16 trillion debt. in fact, the president's tax hike would only fund the government for eight days. >> the senate is se
, right? how would the fiscal cliff, if we went over, affect gold, do you think? >> i think in the long run, gold will do worse if people start to think that interest rates rise. if dwrur going to park your safe money somewhere else, gold is a negative cash flow asset. >> and why wouldn't gold go up if we were going over the cliff? >> it would. in other words, if we do go over the cliff, you would expect gold to do better. >> and the stock market is. and the stock market hasn't done that badly at all. we're at 15% total return on the year. so if you just listen to the news, you would think we might be down but really, we had a very good year. are you going to be able to introduce this guy, andrew? he has more vowels in his last name than consonants. >> let's go to the futures pits where bob iaccino is standing together. >> would you say chee-no, bob? >> would you like it in english or italian? >> iaccino. with that singing. >> wa part of italy, do you know? >> cosanza is the town. it's the foot of the boot. >> not a bad part of italy. >> no, there's really not. >> bob, help us here. >>
-minute deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff, right? the president and the vice president, they're going to meet with house speaker john boehner, minority leader nancy pelosi, senate majority harry reid and minority leader mitch mcconnell. that is happening this afternoon. jessica yellin is there. jess, what do we know about the president's plan to get everybody in the same room? do we think there's going to be something that comes out of this? >> reporter: well, this is one of those cases where we really are going to have to wait and see, and all the parties involved are also going in with a big question mark. the idea is the expectation by many of the participants in the meeting is that they hope that they will be able to discuss more details about a scaled-down fiscal cliff plan. and maybe that could lead to some sort of agreement ideally for all parties in which all the senators say that they will not filibuster it, and it can go to a vote. and then speaker boehner could, in theory, agree to bring it to a vote on the house floor after the house comes back on sunday. and then we would
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summer is what led to the fiscal cliff we're facing right now. just one more complication or bargaining chip. remind us, you're the best at putting this in perspective. remind us why the debt ceiling is just as important as the fiscal cliff. >> let me take you back a little while. to the conversation about the bun ji jump. here's the problem. confidence doesn't react to a bun ji jump. if you stole my phone and then i got it back from you, it would take that time before i develop that trust wp we saw the consumer confidence numbers come out and they have taken a big hit because consumers are worried about the fiscal cliff. the investing side is our debt raiting, you'll recall the last time we messed around with the debt ceiling, we got kicked down a notch. so if we are seen to be so irresponsible we would do this again and get past our debt limit, the world may sit there and say you're not that good. maybe americans are irresponsible with their money. we hit the debt limit on money. we have known that was coming. the treasury secretary reenforced that. this is a problem. they can fiddle
the fiscal cliff. right now, the leaders of the house and senate are sitting down with president obama in a search for an 11th hour deal to prevent severe tax hikes and spending cuts from automatically kicking in with the new year. cnn's chief white house correspondent jessica yellin is getting new details. jess can ka, what are you hearing about that meeting? >> reporter: candy, the president is going to explain or reiterate the position he took on friday, that he would like a plan that extends tax rates for people who make $250,000 and below but raises them for those who make more than that. that it extends unemployment benefits for americans. and if the president, i'm told will say if he does not get an agreement to that plan, he will ask the other leaders what they can agree to, what what they would like instead. if they cannot come up with a proposal that will pass the house and the senate, will ask for a vote on his measure. but that meeting, candy, is still going on. congre congressional leaders arrived at the white house for a last-ditch meeting just days before a new year's de
like this? "the kudlow report" starts right now. let's get the latest on the snag on the fiscal cliff talks and surprise news we are going to reach the debt ceiling in days instead of just a few months. john harwood has the details. what's going on? >> not a whole lot of actions going on. although there have been some developments. let me bring our viewers up to date on those. first of all, treasury secretary geithner this afternoon announced the united states would hit the statutory debt limit on monday. that's new year's eve. that's part of an effort to pressure congress to act to raise the debt limit which may or may not be direct limb reply indicated in the fiscal cliff talks but it is relevant to the larger issue of debt and deficits. the treasury can move money around in certain ways to extend the point where we actually reach a crisis for probably a couple of months. but this is an early warning sign. secondly, republicans in the house sent word to democrats in the senate, white house, it is your turn now. we acted to put off the fiscal cliff several months ago with a bill that
. and we will be following the fiscal cliff talks tomorrow. and clayton, you'll be hear, right? >> clayton: i will. so send us any of your questions as well and your thoughts. our -- go to our web site for the after the show show. >> gretchen: happy new year, everybody. gregg: fox news alert. powerful winter storm bringing deadly weather. >> oh, wow. that is a tornado. jesus, look at that tornado. it is like two tornados. it is two funnels on the frowned. oh, lord. look at there. wow! look at that. gregg: the storm system that produced those tornados in parts of the south not done yet. now posing a potentially major roadblock for countless holiday travelers. hello, i'm gregg jarrett in for bill hemmer. >> i'm patti ann browne in for martha maccallum patti ann: local crews said there is only one thing that could have accused the damage. >> one thing they saw damage indicative of tornado damage. we had homes 90% destroyed. that doesn't happen with straight line winds. >> you have a lot of damage. people hurt and i went out with the skid steer. we rounded up equipment. we started opening the
mark. again, everybody's worried about the two letters, "fc," fiscal cliff, and pulling from the u.s. dollar, the yen is pulling back, the new regem that's in there, they are doing what they need to do, and nobody's going to gold right now. silver is sneaking up slowly, above the $30 range. we'll see that take off. reason for that is we look at china. china's economy is turning the corner. that's also helping with what you folks talked about earlier in the crude oil. see how it plays out. even though it's a light volume week as far as trading -- ashley: still, though, a downward trend with the chart. what's the story with silver? >> well, you saw silver pull back with gold. normally, they run, and now what we're seeing is there's a little bit more demand. china's picking up the pace a little. we are seeing silver that's up, what, 24 cents as of today? not a bad move from a one day, especially in the light volume. ashley: if we get it done on the fiscal cliff, will we see a selloff in metals? >> i don't believe that we will. europe right now is the safe haven. there's no negative ne
to continue to drive me. and i think that the issue that we're dealing with right now in the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal left-wing agenda. that used to be considered a pretty mainstream republican agenda. and it's something that we can accomplish today, if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is an indication of you know, how far certain factions inside the republican party have gone where they, they can't even accept what used to be considered centrist mainstream positions on these issues. now i remain optimistic, i'm just a congenital optimist, that eventually people kind of see the light. winston churchill used to say that we americans, we try every other option before we finally do the right thing. after everything else is exhausted, we eventually do the right thing. and i think that that's true for congress as well. and i think it's also important for americans to remember that polit
that they are getting something done, the fiscal cliff meeting at the white house right now. what were the mechanics of rushing the deal through congress and getting it passed into law? what would that look like in four days? lisa desjardins joins us now. what will it look like? >> well, there is a couple of possibilities, don. one is that they take sort of the remnants of one of the bills that passed the house or the senate and they just change it. they add whatever is in this deal to it. they have a whole bunch of vehicles that are possible for that. one sticking point, because this deal would most likely deal with taxes, there is a rule in the constitution that is has been interpreted by most every side to determine it has to begin in the house, revenue measures begin in the house. they need a bill that starts in the house, okay, they have a lot to do that. then the trick is making sure they have the votes. i think if we see anything come out of tonight's meeting, anything substantial, that's what is going to happen this next day and a half. leaders on both sides have to make sure they have got t
are glad you are here. right now, negotiations are under way to avoid the fiscal cliff. leaders are scrambling for a last minute deal. we have 35 hours and counting. here is more of president obama talking about the overall situation. >> what congress needs to do is to prevent taxes from going up for the vast majority of americans. and this was a major topic of discussion throughout the campaign. what i said was that we should keep taxes where they were for 98% of americans, 97% of small businesses. but, if we are serious about deficit reduction, make sure the wealthy are paying more and combine it with spending cuts and put the economy on a long term trajectory of growth. over the next 48 hours, my hope is people recognize that regardless of partisan differences, our priority has to be to make sure taxes on middle class families do not go up. that would hurt our economy badly. at a certain point, it is very important for republicans in congress to say we understand we are not going to get 100%. we are willing to compromise in a serious way to solve problems. >> give you the liv
're waiting to see what happens with the fiscal cliff. >> hope is fact if congress can get it done before january 1st. even congressional leaders are skeptical. >> the american people have a right to be very upset with this congress. >> president obama has invited nancy pelosi, john boehner, mitch mcconnell, and harry reid to the white house this afternoon for a fiscal cliff summit. >> here we are five days from the new year, and we might finally start talking. >> today's white house meeting might be the last chance to come to an agreement. that's because it takes time for a bill to work its way through both chamber of commerce. >> i don't know time wise how it can happen now. >> under senate rules, the only way a bill could make its way through the procedural hurdles in time is if every senator agrees not to. they'll have 24 hours. outside the beltway, carlino will be watching. >> everyone is kind of in a wait-and-see and fingers-crossed per expect tichb right now. >> since 1930 this is only the fifth time congress has worked after christmas. and today's summit is the first time presiden
's all because of the worries about the fiscal cliff. suzanne. >> all right. let's just listen in, and i'll bring you back for a bit. ♪ >> all right. there you go. allison, i want to bring you back for a couple quick questions here. we know the stocks are down, fiscal cliff. talk about what we think that means for us if we end up going over the fiscal cliff and you're looking at a lot of tax hikes as well as spending cuts. >> yeah. you have to believe if we go over the cliff that some sort of deal will happen up. if not within the first couple days of year, maybe the first couple weeks. what may happen is an impact right away to your paychecks in the early weeks of the new year. here is an idea of what we're in for anyway. we're going to see a lot of tax changes. payroll tax holiday. that would expire, and that means that the amount taken out of your paycheck would go from 4.2% to 6.2%, so that means if you're making $50,000 a year, it means $83 a month comes out of your paycheck. over the cliff it means you have a delay in tax refunds for the 2012 returns and that's because there's ye
talking about right now, this is the only shot we have to avoid the fiscal cliff. the fact that they are giving it another shot over the next 48 hours,it is probably as good of a result from the meeting as you could've expected. gerri: i love ending on an optimistic note. that is definitely good news. i would like to thank all my guests are you think you all for your fine analysis and thank you for your help tonight. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> happy new year. gerri: how would you describe today's closed-door fiscal cliff meeting between the president and congressional leaders? do you believe it was a political stunt or real negotiation? la mancha gerriwillis.com, vote on the right-hand side of the screen, i will share the results of the end of the show. still ahead tonight, it's not just the fiscal cliff mess that congress has left undone. there is a whole lot of other work that our lawmakers should have done this year but did not. i will tell you all about it. and we will be right back copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better. so
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the the fiscal cliff. everyone's taxes as of right now set to go up january 1st. do we have the countdown clock up? we'll get that up later, but here is where congressional leaders and the president stand on the fiscal cliff, listen. >> but whatever we come up with is going to be imperfect, some people are going to like it, some people like it less, but that's where we are and i feel confident that we have an obligation to do the best we can. >> a good meeting down to the white house. we are engaged in discussions, the majority leader and myself, and the white house in the hopes that we can come forward as early as sunday and have a recommendation that i can make to my conference and the majority leader can make hess to his conference and we'll be working hard to see if we can get there in the next 24 hours and so i'm hopeful and optimistic. >> i'm modestly optimistic that an agreement can be achieved. nobody can get 100% of what they want. let's make sure that middle class families and the american economy and in fact the world economy aren't adversely impacted because people can't do their jo
no signs of a deal in the senate right now on how to avert the fiscal cliff. let's bring back the senior editor of "the new republic" and author of "the escape artists, how obama's team fumbled the recovery" and ed o'keefe congressional reporter for the "washington post." thanks to both of you for coming back here. ed, do you think the deal is dead right now? >> no, by no means. as we understand it, negotiations are continuing. right now both parties in the senate are meeting behind closed doors to discuss what was going on and what they may or may not be able to agree to as you've reported throughout the hour. mitch mcconnell has reached out to vice president biden, two experienced legislative hands who have worked together on these types of deals before. if anyone at this late hour could get a deal done it would likely be these two. keep in mind, no matter what deal is crafted on in the senate, voted on tonight and tomorrow morning it still has to get passed here in the house where i'm standing right now. we were talking to tom cole a little while ago on the show. off camera he was tel
to fall off of the fiscal cliff. rich edson on capitol hill, have i got the gist of it right? blamed the republicans, it is all your fault. >> that is about it. the senate wants the house republican conference to pass the bill the senate passed a few months ago and house republicans want to pass the bill they passed a few months ago. it is save to say we are basically where we started in this whole thing a few days before the fiscal cliff. dave: it is they fight. flat out political fight. i guess you can expect that as the deadline draws close but it doesn't take us any closer to any kind of deal, does it? >> if anything it takes us further from a deal and the quote from senate majority leader basically said the house of representatives is being operated as a dictatorship for not letting the senate bill had the house floor. stuart: we are out of time. it is thursday, almost lunchtime, you have friday and monday, that is all we have got. >> looks like it. stuart: thanks very much. as of this moment it looks like we are going over the cliff and the dow is down 66 points. the 1,000 rich
to washington to try to lead us away from the fiscal cliff. >>> former president george h.w. bush in intentive care. we'll have the latest on that. >>> a vigil for firefighters, a tornado in action and december surfing in the great lakes. good morning. i'm mara schiavocampo. a powerful winter storm that brought an odd mix of tornadoes, heavy winds and snow to the nation's midsection is now wreaking havoc on the northeast. snow and sleet have produced treacherous road conditions from pennsylvania and western new york to maine with more than a foot of snow expected in some areas. this storm so far being blamed for at least six deaths. and as nbc's kurt gregory reports, the storm is creating a post holiday travel nightmare. >> reporter: cleanup on the day after christmas for the deep south. a record of more than 20 tornadoes as a massive storm system ripped through mississippi and alabama and left arkansas with a record-breaking white christmas. that storm system continued its march across the center of the nation wednesday, leaving a near whiteout from detroit -- >> not used to it. it's slick. >
back, too. i don't think the fiscal cliff problem hit social security or medicare right away. they kind of sealed that off from se questions ration. but you mentioned unemployment before. there are a variety of other government programs that will be drastically cut back on tuesday morning if we don't get some kind of a deal by monday night. >> you know, ryan, when you look at -- when clarence was talking,ives looking and i think i have it. bills that republicans and congress have blocked this year. a bill that would have increased the minimum wage, a buffet rule bill, the employment, nondis crimination act that would have prohibited hiring people on the basis of sexual orientation. a u.n. treaty to protect the rights of disabled people around the world and the paycheck famous act so that women don't get paid less than men for doing the same job. i mean, there's been a variety of bills that they have seen not go past. they have actually stopped in a variety of ways that would have helped the american people. >> yeah, and you can throw the violence against women act, reauthorization onto
to a fiscal cliff. thank you within kelly. jonathan, i want to turn to you right here. harry reid was not holding back this morning on the senate floor. i want to play what he said about the 435 members in the house. >> there's 435 members of the house. what goes on in this country shouldn't be decided by the majority. it should be decided by the whole house of representatives. the speaker just has a few days left to change his mind. but i have to be very honest, mr. president, i don't know timewise how it can happen now. >> and we just heard from kelly about this possible new deal the president has sent over regarding the fiscal cliff. harry reid, though, there's not a lot of time left. >> no, there isn't a lot of time left. what the majority leader is referring to is we've been talking about a lot, the majority of the majority real that if boehner would put aside this tradition that if he's going to get anything passed, it has to be passed bay majority of the republican caucus. clearly there have been times on the little and in the house when boehner could have passed many bills
. speaking right. exactly. liz: more on the fiscal cliff. let's bring in peter. with us is former clinton advisor doug shoen. we have basically mr. boehner saying, look, you senate, you have not come up with anything. >> i think, unfortunately, we will probably get around it. i think it is a worse outcome to avoid the cliff then to go over it. i think we should broaden the discussion and look at what is going on around the world. look at japan and europe. the japanese government is the glaring war on japanese citizens. it will create inflation. if the japanese citizens start to dump their bonds, they have been a bigger part then japan recently. that is a big problem for us. their euro has been quietly depreciating. if that goes out, that is a much bigger fiscal cliff. if the buyers of treasuries become sellers. liz: there are a lot of "if" in your discussion. the bond markets are still pretty -- nothing from the bottom vigilantes yet. you were a clinton advisor. you saw in the mid- 90s bond yields really spike higher. that is the issue. if we see the economy healing, bond yields could go
because, quote, the phone never rang. he complains i've not delivered solutions to the fiscal cliff. he's in error. we all know that in july of this year we passed in the senate the relief that would give -- that it would give to middle class americans. that -- that passed the senate. now, we know the republicans have buried themselves in procedural roadblocks in everything we're trying to do out here and now they are saying, well, we can't do the 250 because it wasn't blue slipped, because it will be blue slipped. mr. president, how does the american people retook the that? there was a bill introduced by the ranking member of the ways and means committee in the house, sandy levin, that called for this legislation. the speaker was going to bring it up to kill it, but he couldn't kill it and then we moved to plan "b," the debacle of all debacles. it's the mother of all debacles. that was brought up in an effort to send us something. he couldn't even pass it among the republicans it was so absurd, he meaning the speaker, so it's very clear now, mr. president, that the speakers's number on
average. there are fears that we're heading over the fiscal cliff. the markets had weak data. consumer confidence for the month of november which, again, reflected concerns that we were headed over the fiscal cliff. the dow, nasdaq and s&p all negative for the month right now. as we take a look at the dow jones industrial average, the drags are cisco system, bank of america. the best performing stock on the dow for this year following its very poor performance in the prior year, alcoa also weaker along with jpmorgan and h hewlett-packa hewlett-packard. 50 day average, when it breaks below that on decent volume, the down side the traders are watching the levels as we came into today's session. groups that are leading the s&p lower are financials which are the best performing sector of 2012. taking a turn south in today's session. energy and materials actually also joining the fray among the leading laggers within the sectors that we followed. we also wanted to point out jcpenney. it was an outlier and today it reverses. it's having its worst day in six weeks, i believe. the reason being
. "early start" begins right now. >>> crunch time for the fiscal cliff. the key players to meet at the white house with just four days left until the deadline. >> they called him stormin norman. america remembering general norman schwarzkopf. >> and have gun, will teach. hundreds of educators get a hands-on lesson in firearms. controversial proposal. good morning. welcome to "early start." 5:00 a.m. in the east. >>> it is the last friday of 2012. i've just had that pointed out to us. one final desperate attempt to dodge the fiscal cliff, just four days left before we go over the edge triggers tax hikes, spending cuts that could send the nation back into recession. the president calling for members of the congress the back. a gang of six attending. vice president biden, harry reid, house minority leader nancy pelosi, mitch mcconnell and john boehner representing the republicans. brianna keilar is live from washington. is anybody optimistic that a deal could be done today around a table? >> i will tell you the optimism is sort of sinking. senate majority leader harry reid said he
think, oh, do they know something about the fiscal cliff? not that at all. it is actually action in the middle east. reports of military exercises have commenced. military exercises in there and later in the week more military exercises. brent is off as well. heating oils are up. everything is up. even on a slow day here at the cme in chicago. dagen: good to see you, jeff. jeff flock reporting. thank you. the pentagon planning to deal with half a trillion dollars in budget cuts thanks to the looming cliff. gun sales rising over concerns of tighter gun control laws. we can find some winners in the stock market. here are some of those on the s&p. ♪ she knows you like no one else. and you wouldn't have it any other way. but your erectile dysfunction - you know, that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor ab
. the fiscal cliff might seem extremely large right now. we look at the more long-term view, a small blip on the overall screen. we'll see a lot of volatility but can you deal with the volatility and if it's causing to you lose sleep it might have an indication you might want to make some changes. >> it's hard not to have a knee-jerk reaction. before we get to that talk about tax deferred accounts. how will the fiscal cliff affect them. >> this is the beautiful part about this is that the biggest concern individuals are having that we've worked with and talking to, what is going to happen with my taxes? what is going to happen with my dividends taxes, capital gains? so the best part about it, if you're dealing with non-qualified accounts you might have to be concerned about that but qualified accounts or tax deferred accounts such as your 401(k)s and individual retirement accounts, roth and traditional, these accounts are tax deferred and many 509 plans, college savings plans, different types of concept are tax deferred and some are tax free such as 529 so maximize this and eliminates the
-- >> that is another piece of legislation up in the air. >> right. and it is all caught up in the fiscal cliff story. >> unbelievable. from a business standpoint bb you have to operate your business regardless of what is going on and the fact we have this uncertainty. there is talk ever further consolidation. is that good for travellers or better to get more capacity out of the air? >> i think that more consolidation is good. it'll start to strip out some of the unnecessary capacity. from an industry perspective, what we are looking for is elected leaders and others to understand the importance of air travel. airlines drive flight percentage gdp. we are talking about a policy in 2013. something about rationalization with taxation. you talk about investment and infrastructure. my gosh, infrastructure in the united states on the ground and in the air. by the way, you talk about also being more globally competitive. this is what a national airline policy is all about. regardless of consolidation, that's what we think makes a great deal of sense for 2013. >> when we were in commercial break, i said, wow
of these fiscal cliff worries. >> we're going to sort of trend right around here -- it doesn't look like we're going to get a deal before year end of any great significance. that being said, we may get one last year. do we trade in line right here? >> so we're going to trade probably 91 on the upside, 86 on the low side. i think once a deal is done, you're going to see a reemergence of a risk-on rally. i think that's where crude oil breaks out to the upside. we start to get an upward trend. opec's 2013 target is around $100. i think we'll move up into the mid-90s and probably press through that $100. one of the burdens we have is we do have an abundance of supply in the u.s. the u.s. won't export any crude oil, but i think the possibility of us starting to consume more, would drive and help support those higher prices. >> when you put on those longs, i'm wondering, because this week is a holiday shortened week. congress is coming back on the 27th. is this a trade for 2013? >> yeah, it is more of a trade for 2013. i wiould start to look at fartherer out contracts, to like december 2013, and
"newsroom" begins right now. >>> happening now in the newsroom, you know the fiscal cliff is fast approaching, but do you know how the u.s. got into this latest economic crisis? we have the answer. >>> chicago suffers a grim milestone. 500 homicides this year alone. later this hour, we'll talk to reverend jesse jackson about the probl problem. >>> we'll take you to the kennedy space center for an inside look at the museum. >>> and reviewers are raving about microsoft's latest updates but chances are you aren't even using it it. we'll explain this tech disconnect. newsroom starts right now. >> good morning. i'm victor blackwell. we're starting with you, your money and your taxes and that cliff. we're just four days from the fiscal cliff. this afternoon in the 11th hour, this is when it always happens, there's a high-stakes meeting at the white house. at the table, president obama and congressional leaders. the goal is to reach an agreement. but the roots of this current crisis can be traced back to the previous administration. cnn's chief business correspondent has a look at how we
. >> 30 hours to go until the country hits the fiscal cliff and still no deal. i'm melissa rayberger, and the white house has sent one of its top negotiators to capitol hill, but right now it's all centered on the senate, and as democrats dig in to protect social programs, republicans do the same on taxes. >> raising taxes to pay for new spending is not something that republicans believe this debate ought to be about. it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt, and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes. we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> so what happens next? with us nbc news capitol hill correspondent mike vic rah and nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. mike, let's get started with you. what's happening right now in the senate. i understand there's an update on the chained cpi. >> reporter: they say the darkest hour right before the dawn, melissa. everybody ought to hope that's true, at least if you don't want to see your taxes go up on midnight on monday and tuesday night because everything seems
dive. >> all right. so what can you leave us with? housing is good? >> fiscal cliff is bad. >> is that a net-net? >> i think the housing is good but the housing isn't great. everybody's talking about housing like it's going to carry us some place. it's just not going to drag. but it's not going to be a boost and i'm still very concerned about where the economy is going. >> is there any way that we've over -- sort of had too much anxiety and angst about the fiscal cliff or not? >> i don't think there's been much anxiety. and i talked to my brother and sister in suburban detroit. they're not in the financial world and they're always talking about the fiscal cliff. my wife has the same thing with her brothers and sisters, they're not in finance but it's what everybody's talking about. everybody's worried about it. but the experts tell us that we're not going to go over the cliff so they know it's there but they don't think we're going to go over it. so we'll see. >> i hope you're right. thank you for being here. >> coming up, is washington ready to go cliff diving? we're going
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